Interessepeiling: REMAP Accord K20/K24

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Interessepeiling: REMAP Accord K20/K24

Berichtdoor Nasty » za 13 jun 2015, 11:13

De verkoopshoek werkt bij mij niet, dus zet ik hem hier neer.
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Hallo iedereen,
Op TypeAccord UK zitten er wat Russen die gespecialiseerd zijn in remaps voor de Accord met K20 en K24 motor. Ikzelf ben geen verkoper, maar ze willen een actie doen voor een scherpe prijs.

Basisprijs komt neer op
£300 voor K24.
£225 voor K20.
Prijsverschil variëren door het resultaat dat je merkt. Actieprijzen volgen.

Als er vragen zijn, mag je die gerust posten in dit topic, zijn mailadres volgt ook zodat je rechtstreeks contact kan opnemen.

Betreft:
2003-2007 Honda Accord 2.0 MT/AT
2003-2007 Honda Accord 2.4 MT/AT

De ecu wordt gedemonteerd, de reflash uitgevoerd en de ecu terug gemonteerd. Alles samen een kwartiertje werk.

Keuring/uitstoot zijn geen probleem. Zowel zwitsers, duitsers als britten zijn er al mee goedgekeurd.

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Hier alvast een objectieve review van iemand op TypeAccord:

Hi guys,

Yesterday I took delivery of the Test ECU courtesy of UKCL9. It was very well packaged and had been sent recorded delivery. Today, I was not working, but I drove to work, as I know this journey inside and out. I wanted to cleanse my driving palette and be as objective as possible. So I drove to work with the normal ECU. When I got to work, I installed the reflashed ECU. Then drove home. I then drove back to work again with the reflashed ECU and once at work, refitted my normal ECU and drove home. This meant I was on a mixture of high speed A roads, country lanes and busy town driving. I did both directions with both original and reflashed ECU. In fact I bookended the reflashed ECU with the stock one for maximum clarity, objectivity and to ensure there was no placebo effects.

I haven't spent a penny on this, I have nothing invested in it. This is an impartial and objective user review based on approximately 30 miles stock vs the same 30 miles reflashed.

Low Revs, low gears, busy town traffic, crawling around:

Car feels very similar to stock, but a little bit smoother with gear changes. I suffered less of the jerkiness that I sometimes get, although this is very circumstantial. Basically, below 2K I didn't notice a great deal of difference, but it was slightly smoother.

Above 2K RPM:

Car is more lively with reflash. It feels like it wants to take off more. It's nice, but requires a little getting used to. It's basically goading you to put your foot down and you need to exercise a little discipline. It zips through the Revs quicker than stock ECU, feels much more torquey.

VTEC (4.5K RPM)

This again, takes a little getting used to. The VTEC transition is extremely smooth, no kick as such, just a notable change in engine tone and you're very aware that you're rising through the revs and moving at quite some speed. Remaining in VTEC with gear shifts is very good. Makes the car feel much more ballsy and nothing was keeping up with me. The new Red Line of 7500 or 7800, whatever it is, is a little scary. It goes against your instinct to see the rev counter going deep into the red and the noise is insane. But I'm fairly confident from what I've read on Hondata that taking the revs this high is still safe.

General Operations

VSA can still be disabled, cruise control works fine, there were no fault codes on the ECU according to my bluetooth OBD reader and the Torque App on my phone. Torque App was indicating a minute MPG improvement on the Reflash, but this is circumstantial I believe and the difference wasn't noticeable enough to warrant any discussion really. At least, with how I was testing the high revs... But my next point could point towards long term gentle driving seeing a positive return in MPG perhaps?

General, Gentle Driving & Cruising:

The noticeable factor here is that you don't need to row the gears so much, I imagine due to the improved torque. Where I would sometimes have dropped a gear and upped the revs to pick up pace (e.g. going up hill), I can, with the reflashed ECU, just apply a little more throttle and there's sufficient torque there to pick up and pull, no downshifting required. I found I was leaving the car in high gears at low speeds for longer. More relaxing driving.

To Sum Up

I like it. I think there's a notable difference in drive quality. It's not rip your face off different, it's actually more sophisticated than that (until your into the depths of VTEC, then it really does rip your face off). The increase in torque in the lower rev range is nice to have and I think is probably the best thing about this map as it's ironed out the dull spots in the area where the engine spends most of its life. And as mentioned above, it's more rev-happy and lively too which makes it feel like a more engaging and enjoyable drive.

VTEC coming in earlier, meaning the VTEC window is larger and remains engaged during gear change is obviously a good thing for not losing momentum in overtaking scenarios and things. Takes a little getting used to though. My car feels/sounds like a bit of an animal at high revs now, what with the CAI and Stainless Exhaust, and even at naughty speeds, is eager to pull more :blink: .

I'm going to do a little more driving with it tomorrow to see if I notice anything else worth mentioning.

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This review is my own personal experience and NOT an official endorsement by Type Accord.

There has been some heated discussion of late about the credibility of the claims made by those selling this map and the newness of members posting reviews. All I can say is, in my humble opinion (which I know for some, doesn't count for much) the car feels better with the reflashed ECU and it has done to the driving experience what was claimed it would. It is definitely not a placebo.

If you wish to contribute to this thread, ask questions or discuss things, please do. But, given the recent heated discussion in other threads, I won't tolerate any silliness of any sort in this thread. This is my review thread, not Littlebo/UKCL9's Reflash Thread Part 2. I trust we're all clear on this. Please keep things clean and keep personal snipes out of it. I won't be posting polite reminders if the mud flinging starts.


My review on the reflash ecu. This is my view on it, others may disagre but this is what I think
I've been running the test ECU now for a few days and I can only ask myself MY haven't i done this earlier!!

First of my mods are,
Mugen short shifter (I know this doesn't change the power)
GruppeM induction kit
RBC intake manifold
Cat back 'true' 3" custom exhaust system

Before reflash,
The car felt sharper with the mods but when a mate picked up is CL9 we had a little play and yes I felt like I waste all that money getting the mods as there was not a noticeable difference between the to.

Normal driving round town,
There's not really much difference between standard and re flashed.

Motor way,
Same again really nothing really to report.

Back lane blasts,
This is where the reflash really comes alive!
Every gear change is smoother up or down
The way the car picks up now is amazing. Makes you feel like the car "wants" to go faster
You don't have to drop it down gears to keep in the power band as much now.
Keeping revs above 4500 you'll have the power coming in.

Fuel,
Not noticed any difference with the fuel as of yet.

Playing with other cars (most of us do)
With the mods and the reflash it's really put the car into the same window as other great Hondas, like the civic and the S2000.
I can now have more fun with them while going on drives.

As a final,
Yes you do need this reflash to make the car come alive.
I can know play with the bigger boys and give them a good run.
The accord is no longer a family car!

Again this is my account of the flash. Yes people might disagre with some of my statements but haters have to hate.

Hope this sort review will help others to choose the reflash.


My review of the K24 Reflash ECU

Firstly, I have just joined the forum today so Hello everyone and secondly, this is my first ever post so please bare with me if I go off a little and end up writing a novel.

First and foremost, my car and the mods;

2003 Honda Accord Type S.
188k Miles
Typhoon CAI
Apex Lowering Springs (40mm)
New Shocks (Literally one week old)
19" upgrade CRV Alloys (225/35/19).
HID Kit (4k)
Shell Nitro ONLY

Pre Reflash

So I've had my accord since January 2012 and had the Typhoon CAI installed within the first couple of months, after watching a video on YouTube and falling in love with the sound. This was probably the best investment I made at the time, the car had better throttle response and sounds awesome in Vtech. Touchwood, i've never really had any problems with the car, just general wear and tear and the car was being used on a daily basis, clocking up around 1500 miles a month and never misses a beat (Bought with FHDSH at 150k).

A lot of people said to me, why did you buy a 2.4 petrol when you could have purchased a 2.2 CDTI. IMHO, a half decent diesel was fetching twice as much as the K24 and most likely would have needed servicing more than the petrol, so cost wise it wasn't really worth it.

Anyways, earlier this year I decided to lower the car and throw on some 19" wheels which I won on eBay - BIG MISTAKE. The wheels came off a 300zx twin turbo and although looked beautiful, absolutely destroyed the ride, too wide and catching on every turn. Since then, the car was literally parked up and barely covered 2000 miles and this really upset me because i've seriously enjoyed the car and caught a lot of people out in my K24.

Come August, I decided I should just fix it up, get the little niggly bits sorted and flog it. But wait, there some 19" upgrade wheels off a CRV on eBay, so YES I bought them and straight away noticed a massive difference (the suspension was too bouncy). Why, leaking blooming shocks, so on go a new set and I drive out of the garage and I get that smile back on my face. The car was turning and moving the way I hoped it would, but there was one thing missing.

Post Reflash

So as i'm contemplating selling the car, one thing I always wanted was a reflashed ECU. I'd read on this forum before that it could be done at a cost of £300 plus shipping. So I thought, i've spent this much on the car why not give it a try, worst comes to worst, I wouldn't like it, but hey it's not the end of the world, at least this way I knew i'd tried. If i'd got rid of it and saw someone overtake me in a reflashed K24, I can assure you my blood would boil.

I got in contact with Littlebo and UKCL9 who advised on what they would do and reassured me of the effect it would have on the car and how safe it was etc.

Monday 01/09/2014 ECU gets taken out of the car, posted special delivery the following day to UKCL9. ECU was reflashed by Wednesday evening, posted back the following day (again special delivery) and with me on Friday afternoon.

I don't know where to start with this, but all I can say is that the last 72 hours have been unbelievable in my car. The second the ECU went in I took it for a 1 Mile drive (Friday rush hour) and instantly noticed a difference. The car was much much more responsive, the Vtech kicked in earlier sending me back in my seat and redlining circa 7800rpm (73mph in 2nd gear). This was something, obviously;
1) I was not expecting and
2) not ready for.

The last few days have seen the car get driven the most in such a short period of time and I have been beating the hell out of it just so I could get used to car but it's also so damn addictive.

Mileage wise, I can't honestly give a review as to whether the MPG has increased purely because of my driving style but hey, find me someone whose had their ECU remapped and said they noticed an increase in the MPG straight away, you don't because with that extra poke you tend to want to put your foot down pretty much all the time.

The reflash hasn't just pulled the Vtech back or helped it rev that little bit extra, but that car honestly feels so much smoother. It seems to have ironed out the blackspots and from start to finish just feels more torquey (K24 owners will know the lack of low end grunt these cars have).

Given the fact that I have had the car lowered, bigger wheels and a CAI this car really has come alive. Anyone considering getting their ecu reflashed should also consider lowering the car and also upgrading your brakes because it will catch you out on bends seeing as though the Vtech kicks in much earlier.

I felt that the age and mileage of my car wouldn't suit the reflash but I was wrong. I have decided to keep the car a little bit longer and actually use it now. The car hasn't struggled to start, idle incorrectly, misfire or anything since the reflash and no engine warning lights, literally nothing. Straight plug in and play.

I even had my first race on Friday night against a brand new 335d Xdrive. 3 of us in the car going up the motorway and to be honest, i've raced 35d's before and was left for dust and this guy went past me at first like I was standing still but with an earlier Vtech introduction and higher redline it was bumper to bumper at around 12.5mph :D (yes that's a decimal point there) and then he started gapping me. In the end, I lost by about 4 car lengths and it was an absolute shock to me because stock ECU there is no way I could have caught it at any speed because that car has about 3x the torque mine does. Even at the traffic lights, he opened the window and just said 'You were up my a**e, that thing is f*****g quick' and that line was worth the £300.

Conclusion

The reflash is one of the best things i've had done to the car. Even if you're not the racing type, it's good to know that you have that little bit extra poke for safer overtaking :D

£300 may sound like a lot, but you'd probably spend that kind of money on modifying the car in another way and regretting it (trust me, I know). I honestly wish i'd had this modification earlier and would recommend it to anyone considering getting theirs done. If you're local to me in Halifax, West Yorkshire and want to try before you buy, I am more than happy to show you.

Once again, thank you Littlebo and UKCL9 for your service, it is much appreciated and thankyou for reading.
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  • Re: Interessepeiling: REMAP Accord K20/K24

    Berichtdoor vandrietuning » ma 07 sep 2015, 22:16

    Of je komt gewoon langs en krijgt een mapping op maat voor 650,- (testbank afstelling) ;)
    Ik ben sinds 6 maanden dealer / tuner van KTuner producten.

    Ondersteuning voor de Accord CL7 K24 is volledig (K24a4, K24a8 dbw, k24z3 dbw, en nog veel meer)
    De K20 versie is chipbaar d.m.v. een andere ECU (RAD). Deze ligt op voorraad en kost 250,- extra!

    Voordeel met KTuner is dat je je de volledige functies van de ecu behoudt, cruise control en dergelijke blijven gewoon werken.

    Voor meer vragen, gewoon een pm sturen. (graag auto bj en ecu type even vermelden, dan weet ik zeker of hij ondersteund word) :goed:
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    Re: Interessepeiling: REMAP Accord K20/K24

    Berichtdoor Nasty » di 08 sep 2015, 09:38

    vandrietuning schreef:Of je komt gewoon langs en krijgt een mapping op maat voor 650,- (testbank afstelling) ;)
    Ik ben sinds 6 maanden dealer / tuner van KTuner producten.

    Ondersteuning voor de Accord CL7 K24 is volledig (K24a4, K24a8 dbw, k24z3 dbw, en nog veel meer)
    De K20 versie is chipbaar d.m.v. een andere ECU (RAD). Deze ligt op voorraad en kost 250,- extra!

    Voordeel met KTuner is dat je je de volledige functies van de ecu behoudt, cruise control en dergelijke blijven gewoon werken.

    Voor meer vragen, gewoon een pm sturen. (graag auto bj en ecu type even vermelden, dan weet ik zeker of hij ondersteund word) :goed:


    Dus dat maakt €900 voor het afstellen van mijn k20z2?
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    Re: Interessepeiling: REMAP Accord K20/K24

    Berichtdoor vandrietuning » zo 29 nov 2015, 10:32

    Nasty schreef:
    vandrietuning schreef:Of je komt gewoon langs en krijgt een mapping op maat voor 650,- (testbank afstelling) ;)
    Ik ben sinds 6 maanden dealer / tuner van KTuner producten.

    Ondersteuning voor de Accord CL7 K24 is volledig (K24a4, K24a8 dbw, k24z3 dbw, en nog veel meer)
    De K20 versie is chipbaar d.m.v. een andere ECU (RAD). Deze ligt op voorraad en kost 250,- extra!

    Voordeel met KTuner is dat je je de volledige functies van de ecu behoudt, cruise control en dergelijke blijven gewoon werken.

    Voor meer vragen, gewoon een pm sturen. (graag auto bj en ecu type even vermelden, dan weet ik zeker of hij ondersteund word) :goed:


    Dus dat maakt €900 voor het afstellen van mijn k20z2?


    Yes, kan je vertellen dat het een stuk aangenamer rijdt. En je hebt niet een random reflash..
    Deze Accord K20z2 turbo heeft op 0,5 bar druk 270pk en 310 nm gehaald met KTuner.

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    Re: Interessepeiling: REMAP Accord K20/K24

    Berichtdoor blackout » ma 30 nov 2015, 09:42

    vandrietuning schreef:Of je komt gewoon langs en krijgt een mapping op maat voor 650,- (testbank afstelling) ;)
    Ik ben sinds 6 maanden dealer / tuner van KTuner producten.

    Ondersteuning voor de Accord CL7 K24 is volledig (K24a4, K24a8 dbw, k24z3 dbw, en nog veel meer)
    De K20 versie is chipbaar d.m.v. een andere ECU (RAD). Deze ligt op voorraad en kost 250,- extra!

    Voordeel met KTuner is dat je je de volledige functies van de ecu behoudt, cruise control en dergelijke blijven gewoon werken.

    Voor meer vragen, gewoon een pm sturen. (graag auto bj en ecu type even vermelden, dan weet ik zeker of hij ondersteund word) :goed:


    Leo, is de Accord CU2 ook volledig ondersteund?
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    Re: Interessepeiling: REMAP Accord K20/K24

    Berichtdoor vandrietuning » di 16 jan 2018, 22:57

    Zoals velen weten chip tune ik al jaren Honda’s. En ik heb inmiddels mijn kennis uitgebreid en mogelijkheid om de originele ecu's te kunnen reflashen!

    Chiptuning voor Honda Accord;

    - K20a6 CL7
    - K20a Euro-R
    - K20z2 CL7
    - K24a3 CL9
    - K24z3 CU2
    - R20a3 CU1

    Ik reflash de originele ecu zodat alle opties worden behouden.
    Mogelijkheden software aanpassingen zijn als volgt.

    - Speed limiter Euro-R verwijderen
    - Brandstof mappen aanpassen
    - Ontsteking mappen aanpassen
    - VTC mappen aanpassen (ook vtc limit / cmd error te veranderen bij het vervangen van een 50 graden vtc)
    - Toeren begrenser aanpassen (hoger, minder agressief)
    - VTec aanpassen (belasting afhankelijk maken)
    - Vaste launch control (fuelcut)
    - Stationair toerental aanpassingen (koudstart verlagen bijv.)

    Zelfs eventueel mogelijk om turbo afstelling te doen op originele ecu.

    Uiteraard doe ik ook andere modellen;

    Reflash oem ecu, dus geen Hondata of Ktuner nodig!

    CR-V 2002 + R20, K20 & K24
    Civic 5D 2001-2005 K20a3
    Civic Hybrid 2006+
    Civic Insight 2009+
    CR-Z 2010+
    Jazz 2006+
    HR-V 2015+
    Civic 2006+ (Type-R, Type-s, etc etc)
    Civic Type-R Turbo 2015+
    Civic 1.0T en 1.5T 2016+


    En uiteraard ook de diesels is geen enkel probleem.

    Mocht ik je interesse hebben gewekt, dan kan je me altijd een PB sturen voor prijzen en afspraken.

    Vragen en/of opmerkingen kunnen hier onder.
    Laatst bijgewerkt door vandrietuning op di 16 jan 2018, 23:06, in totaal 2 keer bewerkt.
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    Re: Interessepeiling: REMAP Accord K20/K24

    Berichtdoor vandrietuning » di 16 jan 2018, 22:57

    blackout schreef:
    vandrietuning schreef:Of je komt gewoon langs en krijgt een mapping op maat voor 650,- (testbank afstelling) ;)
    Ik ben sinds 6 maanden dealer / tuner van KTuner producten.

    Ondersteuning voor de Accord CL7 K24 is volledig (K24a4, K24a8 dbw, k24z3 dbw, en nog veel meer)
    De K20 versie is chipbaar d.m.v. een andere ECU (RAD). Deze ligt op voorraad en kost 250,- extra!

    Voordeel met KTuner is dat je je de volledige functies van de ecu behoudt, cruise control en dergelijke blijven gewoon werken.

    Voor meer vragen, gewoon een pm sturen. (graag auto bj en ecu type even vermelden, dan weet ik zeker of hij ondersteund word) :goed:


    Leo, is de Accord CU2 ook volledig ondersteund?


    Uiteraard is de Accord CU2 ook ondersteund.
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